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The US military has begun development of an ultra-high speed weapons system that would enable targets virtually anywhere on Earth to be hit within two hours of launch from the continental US.
Ten companies have been given grants by the Pentagon's Defense Advanced Research Projects Agency (DARPA) Pentagon for six-month "system definition" studies. If the Pentagon likes the results, a three-year design and development phase will begin.
The ultimate aim, slated for around 2025, is a reusable Hypersonic Cruise Vehicle (HCV) that can take off from a conventional runway in the US and strike targets up to 16,700 kilometres (10,350 miles) away.
"There is a strategic military need to be able to strike potentially dangerous military targets that are far away and may only be accessible for a short period of time," explains Daniel Goure, an analyst at the Lexington Institute, a think tank in Washington DC.
Current cruise missiles travel relatively slowly, meaning a target may move before it arrives. One solution is to use military bases in foreign countries, but this brings political and logistical difficulties. A hypersonic weapons systems solves both problems.
However, experts describe the technical challenges posed by the program as "tough" and "challenging". Tearing through the atmosphere at hypersonic speeds requires materials that can withstand the phenomenal temperatures produced by air resistance. Travelling above the atmosphere, in space, avoids this, but would require the creation of a new type of rocket-plane hybrid vehicle.
Twin track
The Pentagon has split the project into two tasks. The nearer-term task, aiming for 2010, is the development of a weapons delivery system and rocket to launch it. The Common Aero Vehicle would be an unpowered but manoeuvrable hypersonic craft capable of carrying about 500 kilograms of munitions over a range of 5500 km.
The CAV would be launched into space by the new rocket, before being guided down by GPS to its target. DARPA hopes the rocket could also be used for satellite launches and such a launcher will be unveiled on 4 December by California-based company Spacex, one of the grant recipients.
The CAV would be used in the longer-term HCV project. Several bomb-laden CAVs would be fitted inside the HCV to provide its firepower. But the HCV will be a much bigger technical challenge.
It will need to fly like an aeroplane, so that it can take off and land on a runway. But air-breathing aeroplane engines will not work above the atmosphere. Therefore a hybrid fuel system would be required, enabling a stored oxidiser to be supplied to the engines when the HCV is in space.
Star Wars
Similar hi-tech projects backed by the US military have not worked out well, for example the 1980's Star Wars program. But Goure is optimistic about the latest program, which is called Falcon: "I don't think there is any reason why we won't be able to do this very well."
But Livingston Holder, of Andrews Space in Seattle, a Falcon grant recipient, says it could be "tough". He says: "We can propel smaller objects at high velocity for short periods of time, but we can't yet cruise across the ocean."
There could also be problems with securing intelligence enabling a target 16,000 km away to be accurately identified. "It's going to be a challenge to be accurate at high speed, but it's not insurmountable," Goure told New Scientist.
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Once again Military technology leading the way! Hopefully if they manage this then it will have some of the groundwork covered for commercial hypersonic travel!
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they may well lead in Military technology, but lag behind else where
One ought to check out the state of the LA underground those dumb fools have no system (everyone else can afford ticket machines) in place to check who has tickets and not. Even mexico city has a better sys in place
I rode from LA to Long beach for free when it was supposed to cost like $5
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America don't totally lead the way in military technology anyhow, I was just talking in the sense of just military being the best way of coming up with good ideas.
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those americans couldnt invent a nut cracker, they have chinese and japs mixed together with israels working away in labs all day and night and coming up with ideas and the developing them before posting them back to their native countries. Americans really need to start going to school and not one were they learn the alphabet in the 12th grade
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Yeah i know, morons like Kelly Johnson, Browning, Colt, Rickover, Oppenheimer
What were those idiots thinking?
[ 30. November 2003, 02:33: Message edited by: -gbotto600- ]
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cant say ivew heard of some of them people ![[Big Grin]](biggrin.gif)
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![[Wink]](wink.gif)
Here is some recommended reading material
Robert Oppenheimer
Kelly Johnson
John Browning
Samuel Colt
Hyman G Rickover
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When ancient Rome was near defeat,
the invincible Tenth Legion was raised:
they beat the barbarians on the battlefield
and Rome gained peace with honour again.
When the traitor, on September the eighth,
left the fatherland in infamy,
the Tenth Flotilla was raised from the sea
and it brought weapons at the cry for honour!
Oh our Tenth Flotilla,
you that mocked England,
you victorious on Alexandria,
Malta, Souda and Gibraltar,
you already victorious upon the sea,
now even on the dry land
you will win!
To you Italian ships, stolen from us
not in battle but by treason,
and to you, our prisoners and dead brothers,
we swear:
we swear that we'll came back,
let this be God's and the Flag's will.
We swear that we'll fight
until we obtain an honourable peace!
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that reading changed nothing,: u Crazy americans thought it would take take 10 years to devolop their own nuke, on that account how come italy doesnt have one?
Oppenheimer - helped produced the nuclear bomb - wasnt really all his work it was an multinational job, even the brits were involved.
Colt - Some of ideas didnt get out of the ground, inventors have produced more innovative guns. The devolopment of the tank by the brits was much more significant than any of his work
Browning - Germans had great machine guns too
Rickover - A russain
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Hell, a lot of German scientists were taken to America to help build a bomb once Germany had been defeated.
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hell of a alot of german scientists moved over while the war has still going esp jewish ones, as did soviet scientists and british scientists, the bomb was made to deal with the nazis threat
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Originally posted by -ReDeeMeR:
they may well lead in Military technology, but lag behind else where
One ought to check out the state of the LA underground those dumb fools have no system (everyone else can afford ticket machines) in place to check who has tickets and not. Even mexico city has a better sys in place
I rode from LA to Long beach for free when it was supposed to cost like $5
Well at least it was maybe on time ... we invented trains, look ta ours now!!
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Originally posted by -ReDeeMeR:
that reading changed nothing,: u Crazy americans thought it would take take 10 years to devolop their own nuke, on that account how come italy doesnt have one?
Oppenheimer - helped produced the nuclear bomb - wasnt really all his work it was an multinational job, even the brits were involved.
Colt - Some of ideas didnt get out of the ground, inventors have produced more innovative guns. The devolopment of the tank by the brits was much more significant than any of his work
Browning - Germans had great machine guns too
Rickover - A russain
What point are you trying to prove? I can't even really understand your posts here
"Browning - Germans had great machine guns too"
Thats not even a objective statement
"Colt - Some of ideas didnt get out of the ground, inventors have produced more innovative guns. The devolopment of the tank by the brits was much more significant than any of his work"
The tank is nothing compared to the work of Hiram Berdan (who invented the metallic cartridge)
Rickover lived in Russia for only his first 5 years
"u Crazy americans thought it would take take 10 years to devolop their own nuke, on that account how come italy doesnt have one?"
I dont understand what you are even trying to say here
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When ancient Rome was near defeat,
the invincible Tenth Legion was raised:
they beat the barbarians on the battlefield
and Rome gained peace with honour again.
When the traitor, on September the eighth,
left the fatherland in infamy,
the Tenth Flotilla was raised from the sea
and it brought weapons at the cry for honour!
Oh our Tenth Flotilla,
you that mocked England,
you victorious on Alexandria,
Malta, Souda and Gibraltar,
you already victorious upon the sea,
now even on the dry land
you will win!
To you Italian ships, stolen from us
not in battle but by treason,
and to you, our prisoners and dead brothers,
we swear:
we swear that we'll came back,
let this be God's and the Flag's will.
We swear that we'll fight
until we obtain an honourable peace!
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"Colt - Some of ideas didnt get out of the ground, inventors have produced more innovative guns."
Every inventor had ideas that didn't get off the ground..
"more innovative guns"
Yeah i guess the revolver isnt very innovative now is it?
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Decima MAS
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When ancient Rome was near defeat,
the invincible Tenth Legion was raised:
they beat the barbarians on the battlefield
and Rome gained peace with honour again.
When the traitor, on September the eighth,
left the fatherland in infamy,
the Tenth Flotilla was raised from the sea
and it brought weapons at the cry for honour!
Oh our Tenth Flotilla,
you that mocked England,
you victorious on Alexandria,
Malta, Souda and Gibraltar,
you already victorious upon the sea,
now even on the dry land
you will win!
To you Italian ships, stolen from us
not in battle but by treason,
and to you, our prisoners and dead brothers,
we swear:
we swear that we'll came back,
let this be God's and the Flag's will.
We swear that we'll fight
until we obtain an honourable peace!
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lol ok i dare to admit that i need to research more on this one but, i still believe america could not have devoloped the atomic bomb herself in 1945, and in them days europe was more innovative in them days simple because they were involved in two long wars and needed to devolop them
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lol I never claimed the atomic bomb couldn't have been made solely by Americans
In fact, Enrico Fermi (an Italian ) developed a big part of it
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When ancient Rome was near defeat,
the invincible Tenth Legion was raised:
they beat the barbarians on the battlefield
and Rome gained peace with honour again.
When the traitor, on September the eighth,
left the fatherland in infamy,
the Tenth Flotilla was raised from the sea
and it brought weapons at the cry for honour!
Oh our Tenth Flotilla,
you that mocked England,
you victorious on Alexandria,
Malta, Souda and Gibraltar,
you already victorious upon the sea,
now even on the dry land
you will win!
To you Italian ships, stolen from us
not in battle but by treason,
and to you, our prisoners and dead brothers,
we swear:
we swear that we'll came back,
let this be God's and the Flag's will.
We swear that we'll fight
until we obtain an honourable peace!
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was he the guy that learnt that atoms could be split, if i remember correctly from my IR classes, but why didnt italy ever build the bomb
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Italy never attempted to develop an atomic device
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When ancient Rome was near defeat,
the invincible Tenth Legion was raised:
they beat the barbarians on the battlefield
and Rome gained peace with honour again.
When the traitor, on September the eighth,
left the fatherland in infamy,
the Tenth Flotilla was raised from the sea
and it brought weapons at the cry for honour!
Oh our Tenth Flotilla,
you that mocked England,
you victorious on Alexandria,
Malta, Souda and Gibraltar,
you already victorious upon the sea,
now even on the dry land
you will win!
To you Italian ships, stolen from us
not in battle but by treason,
and to you, our prisoners and dead brothers,
we swear:
we swear that we'll came back,
let this be God's and the Flag's will.
We swear that we'll fight
until we obtain an honourable peace!
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Only learnt this week that italy was only unified in 1870 and only after Napolean had started them off. I guess in them days italy wasnt trusted with nukes because of its support to the nazis
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Italy is a 'patch work nation'
So many city-states and differing peoples
Its hard to beleive it has managed to stay together after all this time
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When ancient Rome was near defeat,
the invincible Tenth Legion was raised:
they beat the barbarians on the battlefield
and Rome gained peace with honour again.
When the traitor, on September the eighth,
left the fatherland in infamy,
the Tenth Flotilla was raised from the sea
and it brought weapons at the cry for honour!
Oh our Tenth Flotilla,
you that mocked England,
you victorious on Alexandria,
Malta, Souda and Gibraltar,
you already victorious upon the sea,
now even on the dry land
you will win!
To you Italian ships, stolen from us
not in battle but by treason,
and to you, our prisoners and dead brothers,
we swear:
we swear that we'll came back,
let this be God's and the Flag's will.
We swear that we'll fight
until we obtain an honourable peace!
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it was just as difficult in Germany.
Its amazing how America can claimed to have killed 54 terrorists and then only find a total of 8 bodies anyone know if americans have some kind of special equation to change numbers around?
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those americans couldnt invent a nut cracker, they have chinese and japs mixed together with israels working away in labs all day and night and coming up with ideas and the developing them before posting them back to their native countries. Americans really need to start going to school and not one were they learn the alphabet in the 12th grade
woooo, lets see some facts to go along with that
oooh, i forgot i can't type, i havent learned how to write yet,please pity me oh great british man.
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I can type accurately if i had time for it, although i doubt i can say the same about Bush, if he had more time he would make things even worse.
Just like your sig is black and white, your facts have also always been 'black and white' take this into consideration when replying ![[Razz]](tongue.gif)
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way to completely and utterly avoid anything resembling a response to me asking for facts
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