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Post comments here on what may have happened in the world if these events, or some of your own choosing, hadn't happened, or had happened as the case may be...1) D-Day was a failure 2) JFK wasn't assassinated 3) The Cuban Missile Crisis had escalated. Do you think ground forces would have been used, or just everyone launch their nukes? 4) Germany had taken Moscow during WW2 5) The Falklands War was a failure Nemesis
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1. I think the allies would have still won in the end, but I think it would have been at least a year before they could have rebuilt there forces and tried again, plus it wasn't a surprise anymore and the Germans would have reinforced the Atlantic Wall, and the Germans could have sent more troops to the Eastern Front2. Hmmmm, i don't know, i'm not a expert on presidents but i think he would have revealed some stuff on the CIA and the goverments knowledge on UFOs/Aliens, thats what i heard he planned on doing 3. I don't think it woulda went nuclear but i think US planes would have had to destroy the bases 4. I think this would have just made the Soviets fight more ferciously(sp), they would have fought fanitaclly to retake there capital, on the other hand anti-communist folks might have seen this as an victory against the communist state and who knows, they might have tried to ally with the Germans or fight on... 5. I don't know how the Brits could have possibly lost so i can't really make a judgement on this 
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Originally posted by uknemesis:
Post comments here on what may have happened in the world if these events, or some of your own choosing, hadn't happened, or had happened as the case may be...1) D-Day was a failure 2) JFK wasn't assassinated 3) The Cuban Missile Crisis had escalated. Do you think ground forces would have been used, or just everyone launch their nukes? 4) Germany had taken Moscow during WW2 5) The Falklands War was a failure Nemesis
1. In my opinion the war was won the second Germany attacked Russia. So yeah, we would win the war even with out D-DAY. 2. If JFK didnt die, the US would not have entered the Vietnam conflict. 3. Well, JFK was close to launching an attack on cuba, it was something like 1 day difference. So if he did attack cuba the Soviets would have launched a Nuclear attack. 4. I dont know anything about the Falklands War. 5. If Germany took Moscow, then I wouldn’t exist  . But if I did I would be a slave to the master race . [ August 19, 2001: Message edited by: the_fallen_lord_99 ]
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Originally posted by uknemesis:
A few more for people to answer:A) The RAF had lost the Battle of Britain. Would Hitler have invaded? Would he have won? If he had, would the US have been able to retake Britain? B) The American War of Independece had been a disaster, and Britain had retained control of America? C) Stalin had a son and he reclaimed the USSR through a craze of Stalinism amongst the people of Russia. Would the USA try and stop him? Would they send out a hit squad? Would China and the USSR once again unite against capatilism? Would there be another Cold War? Nemesis
1. If hitler invaded and took over Britain, i dont think the yanks would bother to help out.2. If the yanks lost the war, Britain would still be the greates empire on earth. 3. Stalin did have a son. He was a lieutenant in the Infantry during the second world war, he was captured by the Germans, who tried to exchange him for Field Marshal Paulus, but stalin said “ I will not exchange a Field Marshal for a lieutenant”. His son was killed by the Germans as he tried to escape from the camp where he was held.
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d day was a failure- good guys would still of won, BUT it we would be in a largely communist world today, ...well maybe well never know.ther are too many variables to guess. jfk wasnt assasinated -hmmm, pass cuban missile crisis escalates -. the real reason conflist was avoided was becuase of a cia agent named oleg penkovskiy, who gave information to the yanks that the russians would not, could not attack. it would have gone nuclear, but i dont know how far. germany had taken moscow - i think the russians would of folded, just becuase russia is huge dont mean you gotta take it all, hitler would of stopped after he got stalingrad, moscow and lenningrad ( st petersburg ) know nothing about the falkans, except that it was between the brits and argintinians.
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raf lost battle of britian- hitler invade, he wins, no contest, dorry poms but its da truth. in the end the loss of the battle of britain was more costly than stalingrad to hitler, cuase with britain gone, the yanks were largely out of play, and then supplies would have a but fuck of a time getting to russia, end of scenario, hitler wins. america losses war of independence - maybe they wouldnt of made that shithouse movie? ( hehehe ) last won cant b bothered to type
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whos to say he wouldn't choke to death after eating a chicken bone by accident one day?
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well he didnt eat chicken, he blamed them for WW1 as well.
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another good topic
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When ancient Rome was near defeat,
the invincible Tenth Legion was raised:
they beat the barbarians on the battlefield
and Rome gained peace with honour again.
When the traitor, on September the eighth,
left the fatherland in infamy,
the Tenth Flotilla was raised from the sea
and it brought weapons at the cry for honour!
Oh our Tenth Flotilla,
you that mocked England,
you victorious on Alexandria,
Malta, Souda and Gibraltar,
you already victorious upon the sea,
now even on the dry land
you will win!
To you Italian ships, stolen from us
not in battle but by treason,
and to you, our prisoners and dead brothers,
we swear:
we swear that we'll came back,
let this be God's and the Flag's will.
We swear that we'll fight
until we obtain an honourable peace!
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QUESTIONS LIST #1 Posted by uknemesis
1) If D-Day was a failure, it would be a devastating blow to all allies across Europe, with so many men, material, and other resources located in a centralized location, it would be a horrible loss. If the Germans held us off for long enough, Panzer divisions could of most definitely inflict heavy casualties on our soldiers if they somehow managed to make it to the beach. The outcome of the war would probably still be the same, just it would cause a lot more men to killed and the war could of have probably gone on for another 1-2 years. Unless of course the Nazi scientists came up with some hardcore shit. (A-Bomb, more tank designs, etc.)
2) Hmm… Difficult to say, everything would probably just stay normal. The would-be assassin(s) would probably be caught and JFK would keep on bein’ president.
3) Mutual destruction, I know that. If our battleships fired on the ships carrying the scuds and other stuff, it would bring all of the hate-filled propaganda on both sides to a boiling point. The Americans in outrage at Cuba, Russia, not to mention at ourselves for being stupid enough to attack. Ground forces would have probably been used to expel any Russians from Cuba and take control of the country. Air forces would be on stand-by for the go-code, navies slowly making their way across the Pacific for a major conflict, all forces in Asia at that time would have most definitely already been in some clashes with each other, and the world would hold it’s breath.
4) Well, from there it would be a definite loss of morale to the already beaten and bruised Russians, but it would make them fight more ferociously, definitely causing casualties on the Germans, but it probably wouldn’t be enough to stop the inevitable.
5) I can’t say, I don’t know quite a lot about the Falklands.
QUESTIONS LIST #2 Posted by uknemesis
1) Eeesh… If the RAF was completely wiped out, an invasion would have been iminent. True, the Luftwaffe would have a hard time, but the initial invasion of Britan would have been a cake walk for the German foot-soldiers. The Brits at the time didn’t have the men or resources to hold back the mighty German Blitzkrieg. The US for sure would have lost it’s only staging ground in Europe, and the war would have completely shifted to the Axis powers side. No, I do not believe without an adequate staging area that the US would have been able to take Britan back.
2) Well… The world would be different today now wouldn’t it? It’d probably just end up in some textbook and forgotten about.
3) That’s a confusing question that I can’t quite comprehend.
QUESTIONS LIST #3 Posted by TFL
1) I dunno, it’d be a major victory for Napoleon I guess
2) … It wasn’t just Germany you know. I think that there would probably still be a war for years, but the Axis would have a strong foothold.
3) The war would end the same. The confederates didn’t have the men or resources to continue an extended war.
QUESTIONS LIST #4 Posted by cat patter
1) … Umm… The Japanese would have been starved of oil, but still continue their expansions out in the Pacific, Germany would still be fighting Britan and Russia, probably take them both… maybe…
2) Well, there’d probably be an invasion of Japan with HEAVY casualties, a complete bloodbath, but the outcome of the war wouldn’t alter.
3) He could focus all of his manpower on Britan, taking it, and probably would have allied themselves with Germany permanently.
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Operation Sealion (the German planned invasion of the British Isles) would have been impossible
The Germans planned on using river barges to land their troops, the barges would have been swamped in the English Channel
They never had enough transport assets to move divisons across, other than very slowly
In fact there is quite alot of evidence that suggests "Operation Sealion" was nothing more than a large intellgence coup by the Germans to convice the Soviets they weren't planning anything against them
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Decima MAS
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When ancient Rome was near defeat,
the invincible Tenth Legion was raised:
they beat the barbarians on the battlefield
and Rome gained peace with honour again.
When the traitor, on September the eighth,
left the fatherland in infamy,
the Tenth Flotilla was raised from the sea
and it brought weapons at the cry for honour!
Oh our Tenth Flotilla,
you that mocked England,
you victorious on Alexandria,
Malta, Souda and Gibraltar,
you already victorious upon the sea,
now even on the dry land
you will win!
To you Italian ships, stolen from us
not in battle but by treason,
and to you, our prisoners and dead brothers,
we swear:
we swear that we'll came back,
let this be God's and the Flag's will.
We swear that we'll fight
until we obtain an honourable peace!
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Also we apparently going to flood the landing beaches with oil and set them alight. We also had the only organised pre-invasion underground fighting force. These people were instructed to kill anyone who found out about them.
If the Germans had invaded, the only person who knew who the local fighters were would have been the local police sergeant. On the Germans coming near to a local village that policeman would have been the first to die at the hands of the militia. Their expected life under occupation was 2 weeks. All of this has only come to light, because of the 50 year rule on disclosure secret information.
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Interestingly i read once that the Gestapo had "special orders" to target "British male youth groups" such as Boy Scout Clubs and what-not becuase they may have "gurellia potential"
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Decima MAS
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When ancient Rome was near defeat,
the invincible Tenth Legion was raised:
they beat the barbarians on the battlefield
and Rome gained peace with honour again.
When the traitor, on September the eighth,
left the fatherland in infamy,
the Tenth Flotilla was raised from the sea
and it brought weapons at the cry for honour!
Oh our Tenth Flotilla,
you that mocked England,
you victorious on Alexandria,
Malta, Souda and Gibraltar,
you already victorious upon the sea,
now even on the dry land
you will win!
To you Italian ships, stolen from us
not in battle but by treason,
and to you, our prisoners and dead brothers,
we swear:
we swear that we'll came back,
let this be God's and the Flag's will.
We swear that we'll fight
until we obtain an honourable peace!
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Kenny doesn't like me posting here because i take shaft in my asshole from random men. and that i flame the american president because of what he thinks is right, i think is wrong.
If i ever post here again like this i'll get Kenny to pimp slap me. Excuse me while i eat 5 big macs. I am a lunch box.
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Bush is an idiot - I can't believe he's President of this country. HE CHOKED ON A PRETZEL AND IT WAS A NATIONAL EMERGENCY!!! "OOOH! The idiot President choked on a pretzel! O MY GOD! THE WORLD IS ENDING NOW!!!" [heavy sarcams]. THE MAN WAS CHASED AROUND BY MONKEYS!!!
I HATE HIM - HE KEPT ON SAYING THAT THERE WERE WMDs IN IRAQ, WELL WHERE ARE THEY? AND NOW HE EVEN ADMITTED THAT IT WAS FALSE INFO AND ALL HE SAID WAS "WELL IM SURE THEY WILL TURN UP" AND STILL WANTS WAR WITH IRAN! F*CKIN DUMBASS!
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Yeah, there was a series of two documentaries on a bit ago about what would have happened had Nazi Germany made it across the channel. In typical German fashion they had planned everything to the absolute last detail.
They would have got rid of most of the stuffy old institutions in Britain, especially the free-masons, and they would have persuaded the local police that it was a patriotic thing to work for the Nazis to help protect your own people.
Of course the culture of Britain would have been plundered, but Hitler apparently always had a soft spot for Britain, and was extremely interested in the eremitism of our education system, as it appealed to the ideals of the ubermenshen (sp?).
The second programme was about the British resistance network, which it concluded all nice and objectively, that as good a fight as we would have put up, defeat was inevitable. After all the other networks would have fallen after Britain fell because there would have been no SOE to support them.
This would have meant that the German nuclear programme would not have been set back as many years, all resources could have been provided for Russia, and the oil and shipping lines of North Africa would have been in Nazi control. Plus they were working on super long range bombers to reach America.
Germany would have had jet powered super range bombers, early guided anti shipping missiles, and the successfully trailed U-Boat towed V2 rocket, with possible atomic warhead.
Thank fuck things turned out the way they did.
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Here's a good what-if!!!
What if Bush was never elected?
Well, for one thing, us people in America wouldnt HAVE TO LIVE IN A COUNTRY RULED BY A STUPID, HALF-ASSED, AIRHEAD WARMONGER!!!
lol, I dont like him, but from what I have seen he is sharper than most people think. The world would be a better place. I beleive Colin Powell would have made a good president.
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Originally posted by KamiliantheYami:
Here's a good what-if!!!
What if Bush was never elected?
Well, for one thing, us people in America wouldnt HAVE TO LIVE IN A COUNTRY RULED BY A STUPID, HALF-ASSED, AIRHEAD WARMONGER!!!
lol, I dont like him, but from what I have seen he is sharper than most people think. The world would be a better place. I beleive Colin Powell would have made a good president.
I wont get into the details but out of all the americans i have spoken to so far (maybe apart from when i was in NJ) they all Hate Bush, many say "if only Clinton was still here".
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Yeah, I prefered Clinton myself. I was watching BBC news the other day and the corespondant was talking of how the Republicans and Democrats both like Blair because he was freinds with this, and the previous president.
He said how 2 senators had remarked 'if only Blair was an American, then we could have him as our president'
The way Blair has been going I bet he wishes that was true ... lol
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