taiwan is a democraticly elected country, america will, or atleast should stick up for them. china has limited nuclear power, only a dozen or so ibms, and they aint mirvs. i think if anything soed happen ( unlikely ) that it will be settled with limited conventional means.

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Originally posted by -gbotto600-:
i think that China would invade Russia before attack the US, in a few decades or so, China will be out of resources, space and will need more food i think and Russia is in a weakened state and right across the border... so only time will tell

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I disagree. China and the US are both former soviet countries and both share extremely anti-American views. If anything, the two would help each other fight what they both believe to be the ultimate enemy, the Americans.

Taiwan is needed by the rest of the world. Taiwan produces 2/3 of the world's silicon chips, something ALL computers run on. Without them, no other country can produce PCs, fighter aircraft, air control towers, anything. It is vital Taiwan isn't attacked. Now this gives China a significant weapon against the US. If the US give China any bother, China can just bombard Taiwanese factories.

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Originally posted by catpatter:
please, for god sake . THINK BEFORE MAKING NEW DAMN TOPICS.

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Jezz theres a lot of facts wrong in this topic.

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just how the hell is china going to invade america, maybe with their great navy, or their crack paratroops?

Theres not going to be some great soviet-china pact, against the evil yankee dogs. Considering chinas yearly trade with russia is about 18 billion and its yearly trade with america is about 200 billion. And the fact that chinese and soviet relations the past 40 years sucked, especialy the last 10 years when russia stoped all funding to communist nations. China only cares about china and will only do whats in her best interests. So there will be no great soviet-china communist bullshit thingy.

Someone said something about india and china being allys, thats such a joke talks we under way between china and pakastan in a pact against india. In a few years india will have more people than china, they also compete for the same resources in southeast aisa, and you think they are going to be friends.

China does not have a very high defense buget, infact japans is three times higher.

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Originally posted by Great satan:
Well first of all why the hell would china risk nuclear war over that usless little island tiwan, while there are less risky targets like siberia, burma, and india. China needs lots of farming land and cheap resources like coal, not pentium chips. Thats like going outside and wrestling a pitbull over a old bone.

just how the hell is china going to invade america, maybe with their great navy, or their crack paratroops?

Theres not going to be some great soviet-china pact, against the evil yankee dogs. Considering chinas yearly trade with russia is about 18 billion and its yearly trade with america is about 200 billion. And the fact that chinese and soviet relations the past 40 years sucked, especialy the last 10 years when russia stoped all funding to communist nations. China only cares about china and will only do whats in her best interests. So there will be no great soviet-china communist bullshit thingy.

Someone said something about india and china being allys, thats such a joke talks we under way between china and pakastan in a pact against india. In a few years india will have more people than china, they also compete for the same resources in southeast aisa, and you think they are going to be friends.

China does not have a very high defense buget, infact japans is three times higher.

[ August 24, 2001: Message edited by: Great satan ]

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Originally posted by Great satan:
Theres not going to be some great soviet-china pact, against the evil yankee dogs. Considering chinas yearly trade with russia is about 18 billion and its yearly trade with america is about 200 billion.

[ August 24, 2001: Message edited by: Great satan ]

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do you know who germany's largest trading partner was in 1914? it was france.

Bullshit mate. Silicon Valley is where lots of computer science research is done, it isn't where they manufacture silicon chips! Japan don't invent nor make much of their own technology, they are renowned for their ability in taking the technology of other nations and making it better - your statement is unfounded. 2/3 of Silicon chips, according to a BBC report on the China/Taiwan tensions, are manufactured inside Taiwan. If you wish to claim this to be false, then get in touch with the BBC.

you may only think china will attack russia if you read tom clancy novels, you will only believe china and russia will unite if your a damned fool

Yeah yeah very poetic. Problem is it's bullshit. An official alliance between China and Russia may not happen in the near future, but then, just how many M-16's and F-16s do China own? None. Consider that almost all of their armed forces are equipped with Russian fighter aircraft and Russian rifles.

China and Russia won't ever attack each other. They will unlikely officially unite. But then, do they need to officially unite? Provided they keep selling each other weapon systems then they're equipped to fight side by side if need be, wheras two armies fighting side by side with different weaponry doesn't work, since the weapons aren't compatible, rounds can't be exchanged etc. Why the hell do you think we established standard Nato rounds?

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Legend i see you have been smoking crack again! And watching old films of the may day parade.

China has not been getting weapons from russia in a very long time, they make their own cheap versions of cheap soviet weapons.

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lol. That's bollocks. Go here:

(http://www.insightmag.com/archive/200108133.shtml)

Their Cold War ghosts rising from the grave, Russia and China have just made a deal that squarely is aimed at harming the United States – like an ‘assassin’s mace.’

...These critics say the Sino-Russian pact not only will expand Russian arms sales to China, which already had shifted the balance of power in the Taiwan Strait, but commits the two giants to a broad international agenda squarely opposed to core U.S. interests, making common cause in economic, diplomatic and military arenas...

...This is the first time Russia is known to have carried out a simulation involving joint war-planning with China or to have practiced fighting the United States in the Pacific...

...China and Russia “have come to share the same two-track policy toward the U.S.,” he tells Insight. “This involves maintaining a sense of normalcy and dialogue so that the U.S. and other democracies will continue providing China and Russia with vitally needed economic benefits while at the same time using mostly political and covert means to oppose the U.S. in the domain of security issues and to divide the U.S. from its allies. This was the preferred KGB approach during Putin’s years [1975-1991] and this has been China’s approach during the Jiang Zemin years [1993 to the present].” ...

...“Russia, a faltering world power, and China, an aspiring one, are united in fear of American domination,” wrote New York Times correspondent Erik Eckholm...

But during the last year, Putin and Jiang have met no fewer than eight times to nail down various aspects of their newfound alliance, including the details of a vast array of new Russian arms sales....

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AHH HAHAHA, so you get all you info form a alarmist republican newsite, just like newsmax. Wow not even braveheart would go that far. You should go post this on cdv, and watch everyone laugh at you Mr. hard.
So russia now is violating the 1972 abm treaty, and the worlds democracies are going to provide aid while they attack america.
Well i have to go now and oil up my m-14 and get ready to shoot those incoming russian and chinese para troops.

If you want to back up what you say at least find some facts from a real newsite, and not someones opinion.

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How did I know you were going to say that. Did you actually check the site? It's an AMERICAN site. And republican it may be, but I certainly don't recall the republicans claiming their own nation to be pants.

By the way, how the hell can you criticise my sources when you don't even have ANY? If your statements so far have any validity then I'm sure you'll find a like-minded source somewhere with valid evidence. Or perhaps your statements are just such pro-American bullshit that even patriotic yanks would laugh at it.

Why don't you give something other than, or alongside your own opinion? Here are some more sources you asked for, though I doubt you'll visit them because sources and evidence aren't really your thing are they?

Taiwan has departed from 1949 long ago, but China seems not. The belligerent act again reminds us that China has yet to learn the art of negotiation and the value of peace. It is time to educate Chinese democracy and humanity, by standing up to them.

You can check out this link to find out more about China's hostilities toward Tiwan.

China vs Tiwan Kinda old but whatever .. theres a lot more info about this out there find it yourself

And FYI Great Satan when you said ...

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Well first of all why the hell would china risk nuclear war over that usless little island tiwan,

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Also for you consideration ...

Rumors of a proposed alliance among Indonesia, India, and China are not farfetched. Although separated by history, culture and ideology, all share mutual apprehension over U.S. hegemony and have made diplomatic movements toward each other. At the same time, Russia has improved relations with India and China. This prompts questions about the possibility of a new, bipolar world.

Chinese/India alliance

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**cough**cough**Greatsatan=USA101**cough**cough**

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However tiwan is not important to china its more symbolic, you speak as if cpu chips and other junk are mined out of the ground and only found in tiwan. There are many other players out there, myialasia, korea, india, japan, mexico, canada, usa, europe. The only reason why this crap is made in tiwan is because of the cheap labor, not because that stuff must only be made in tiwan. If there was war then tiwans infrastructure would be destoryed, and the western companys that operate there would simply pack up and move to another nation, along with skilled workers and such. China would be much better off inticeing western nation to make stuff in mainland china, as there are doing now.

You know hard any monkey can do a yahoo search and cut and paste, and your pasteing the same friendship pact bs over and over again along with some rumors and propoganda from unrelible sources. The friendship is just a load of showboating crap, they are not going to invade america and take over the world or whatever.

I also found this in one of your links about the pact.

Russian Worries
In many fields, Russia has already lost its former supremacy over its smaller, but far more populous neighbour. The prospect of China's ever growing military and economic might worries many in Moscow, especially when compared to the sparsely populated Russian territories in Siberia and the Far East. This is one more reason to remain just good friends with Beijing, and also to stay clear of any binding alliances, which would force Russia to choose sides in a potential future conflict that might involve China and the United States.

If you want a reliable legit source, with an unbiased opinion try jane's.

Look heres some sources that disprove the china and india pact, but instead has a china and Pakistan pact against india.
http://www.janes.com/regional_news/asia_pacific/news/jid/jid001103_1_n.shtml
http://www.rediff.com/us/2001/jul/18us2.htm
http://www.janes.com/security/international_security/news/jid/jid010607_1_n.shtml
http://www.janes.com/regional_news/asia_pacific/news_briefs/fr010125_02.shtml
http://www.janes.com/regional_news/asia_pacific/news_briefs/fr010125_03.shtml
http://www.janes.com/security/regional_security/news/fr/fr000602_1_n.shtml
http://www.claremont.org/china/bruce1.cfm
http://www.indianarmedforces.com/south%20asia/china.htm

Okay this ones just for fun.
http://sudheerbirodkar.tripod.com/

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The rest are either the AMERICAN Janes'

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i thought Janes was from the UK? when ever they talk to guys from Janes on TV they are almost all British guys

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or they are about Chinese relations with India or Pakistan, which is irrelevant.

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Originally posted by ReDeeMeR:
"india is trying to form an alliance with China", i dont think so, china already has alliance with pakistan and it has done for many years, how do you think PAK devoloped nukes in the first place???????, it was china who provided the technology

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Something else to consider...

Over 30 'wars' are taking place in the world today (according to a BBC report), the biggest of which is in Eritrea.

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