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Topic: The First PvP War. Sweden Vs Ukrain, and all the people taking sides. (please read)
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RoddyVR
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This is gonna be a bit long winded, but bare with me.
Here is how i understand the rules for 'Timing' things.
Because what time zone you're in or when you like to sleep/have to work should NOT affect your game, the things you post in the Main game thread do not become set in stone untill the end of the turn. That basicaly makes it fair because its like, everyones turn happens at midnight GMT.
Now the Attack thread is different. To prevent people going "i attack like this - well i defend like this - well then i attack differently and go around your defences- well i change my defences around again........." (you get the picture), anything put into the attack thread is commited to stone once you post it.
This way, player A attacks, player B changes his turn (but not units that had attacked something already) around to set up the defence and it gets resolved.
At the beggining of turn 15 Sweden posted an attack on Ukrain. Ukrain posted his defence setup. Ukrain asked me for help fighting off the Sweds.
To prevent the mods from going trigerhappy and resolving the attack as is, before other players got a chance to respond to it, i put a post into both thread saying that i have to talk to Fighter before i finish my turn (not to mention my outcome for the previous turn wasn't done so i COULDNT have know what my turn would be like), but that i WILL be involved in the Ukrain.
Now a couple of points i would like to make clear to people who are gonna argue with me:
A. I did NOT post an attack in the attack tread.
B. in my turn post in the main thread i put that after my talk with Fighter, my turn will likely change.
If i go strictly by the rules as i understand them, i COULD do ANY of the following:
1. cancel the carrier, build more land forces and attack mexico, completely forgeting about Ukrain.
2. build the carrier in the pacific (as i had planned to before the attack on the ukrain) and attack mexico. (again ignoring the Ukrain)
3. cancel the carrier and give the 50 cr to Ukrain to build up a defence force.
Also, when i logged on this morning, glen told me that i cant use the transport to land the 2 land units in ukrain cause its a war zone. as that was before your(france and britain) attacks, there is NO way in hell that you'll get that transport into the ocean now.
I had wanted to be certain that fighter agreed to Glens trading rules, but as Fighter seems to have gone MIA, i will collect the 12 cr that Glen's rules give me and settle it with fighter later.
Now assuming that i keep the rest of my turn as is (buy the carrier and send it to help Ukrain), how do i spend that 12 cr?
1. buy an F/A-18 and see it get sunk by british subs.
2. buy an S-3B Viking Anti-Ship/Submarine Naval Unit, base it on the carrier, and have a fighting chance against the subs.
3. buy a trade ship into the pacific.
so, i gotta go, (family picnic, eeesh). but i will do my turn before i leave. (in a few mins)
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ShaGi_ThuGz 
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you're right, that was longwinded lol but i agree with that, whats the point of strategy if the other guy just says "ok you do that ill do this" because sorry to tell ya but in a real war you cant read what your enemy is doing then change your strategy right in the middle of the battle....
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-gbotto600-
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it gay when people just change their rules or when players dont even play anymore to save up credits (like chris nemesis)
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and Rome gained peace with honour again.
When the traitor, on September the eighth,
left the fatherland in infamy,
the Tenth Flotilla was raised from the sea
and it brought weapons at the cry for honour!
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you that mocked England,
you victorious on Alexandria,
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ShaGi_ThuGz
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hey roddy i just think you're kinda upset about having your fleet hit by British Subs, French Jets and Ships lol....
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-gbotto600-
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attacking mexico will be a bloodbath and dont blame the game engine because u forgot to send ASW units, nuff' said
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Decima MAS
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When ancient Rome was near defeat,
the invincible Tenth Legion was raised:
they beat the barbarians on the battlefield
and Rome gained peace with honour again.
When the traitor, on September the eighth,
left the fatherland in infamy,
the Tenth Flotilla was raised from the sea
and it brought weapons at the cry for honour!
Oh our Tenth Flotilla,
you that mocked England,
you victorious on Alexandria,
Malta, Souda and Gibraltar,
you already victorious upon the sea,
now even on the dry land
you will win!
To you Italian ships, stolen from us
not in battle but by treason,
and to you, our prisoners and dead brothers,
we swear:
we swear that we'll came back,
let this be God's and the Flag's will.
We swear that we'll fight
until we obtain an honourable peace!
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one of my all time favorite movies is on the Sci-Fi channel right now so dont expect me to get on for a few hours or so
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Decima MAS
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When ancient Rome was near defeat,
the invincible Tenth Legion was raised:
they beat the barbarians on the battlefield
and Rome gained peace with honour again.
When the traitor, on September the eighth,
left the fatherland in infamy,
the Tenth Flotilla was raised from the sea
and it brought weapons at the cry for honour!
Oh our Tenth Flotilla,
you that mocked England,
you victorious on Alexandria,
Malta, Souda and Gibraltar,
you already victorious upon the sea,
now even on the dry land
you will win!
To you Italian ships, stolen from us
not in battle but by treason,
and to you, our prisoners and dead brothers,
we swear:
we swear that we'll came back,
let this be God's and the Flag's will.
We swear that we'll fight
until we obtain an honourable peace!
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quote:
Originally posted by RoddyVR:
If i go strictly by the rules as i understand them, i COULD do ANY of the following:
1. cancel the carrier, build more land forces and attack mexico, completely forgeting about Ukrain.
2. build the carrier in the pacific (as i had planned to before the attack on the ukrain) and attack mexico. (again ignoring the Ukrain)
3. cancel the carrier and give the 50 cr to Ukrain to build up a defence force.
This is pretty much bullshit as I see it. The way I play the game is like chess, which is like what it is. You touch the piece, you move it and there is no going back.
I think that if you officially post a move you should not be allowed to retract it, because anyone of us could suddenly decide we didnt do things because of a royal dicking we are about to receive.
Im sorry man you you posted in the official thread that you had dispatched a fleet to go to the Ukraine, this would be the reality equivelant of the real American miliatary moving a fleet and suddenly changing its mind, once it is in the north atlantic and being sunk by subs, it is there and as much as they wish it was home it is not.
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Originally posted by RoddyVR:
Also, when i logged on this morning, glen told me that i cant use the transport to land the 2 land units in ukrain cause its a war zone. as that was before your(france and britain) attacks, there is NO way in hell that you'll get that transport into the ocean now.
Well its there ...
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Originally posted by RoddyVR:
2. buy an S-3B Viking Anti-Ship/Submarine Naval Unit, base it on the carrier, and have a fighting chance against the subs.
3. buy a trade ship into the pacific.
How would they get to a fleet in the east of the north Atlantic!!??
Against 20 torpedos?
[ September 22, 2002, 19:30: Message edited by: Junglist ]
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RoddyVR
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junglist, your logic is lacking.....logic. ![[Confused]](confused.gif)
if i had built a 4th F/A-18 as i said i would probably do after i talk to Figher about the trade rules, would you have have had a problem with it being on the carrier?
it gets built BEFORE the units leave america, thats why i WARNED in that post that i still have to talk to Fighter before my turn is done.
i wont change the turn in the more radical ways (canceling the carrier and the like) because i agree, that would be like deciding not to send something there once its gone.
however, as i see it, you guys acted on information that the fleet is GOING to go into Black sea and thats why you sent your fleets to intercept. if you sent them out when i was already GOING INTO the black see, then you would never catch them. and in that information that you acted on there was a peice that said "and then there's this unit that we cant tell what it is cause its under a big tarp.....". that would be the unit that i build now.
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Press Conference:
"President Trevor Mason, how do you feel about this invasion on the Ukraine?"
"Germany, being a peaceful nation, does not like to see such agression, but i will have nothing to do with it"
"Mr. Mason, this skirmish has gotten all of europe involved, and even the United States, are you saying that you might be the only European nation to take a Neutral stance?"
"This is correct, whoever Germany helps, the opposing side will be quite hateful towards us, we do not like to lose allies"
"No further questions"
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quote:
Originally posted by RoddyVR:
junglist, your logic is lacking.....logic.
No you just dont want to loose a fleet from your stupid mistakes.
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Originally posted by RoddyVR:
if i had built a 4th F/A-18 as i said i would probably do after i talk to Figher about the trade rules, [b] would you have have had a problem with it being on the carrier?
it gets built BEFORE the units leave america, thats why i WARNED in that post that i still have to talk to Fighter before my turn is done.
i wont change the turn in the more radical ways (canceling the carrier and the like) because i agree, that would be like deciding not to send something there once its gone.
however, as i see it, you guys acted on information that the fleet is GOING to go into Black sea and thats why you sent your fleets to intercept. if you sent them out when i was already GOING INTO the black see, then you would never catch them. and in that information that you acted on there was a peice that said "and then there's this unit that we cant tell what it is cause its under a big tarp.....". that would be the unit that i build now.
Put it on by all means then ...
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i agree with Junglist, if u post that u are gonna build something it should be set in stone. its fucking bullshit if u build something then u get involved in a battle and just change what u had built.
also roddy u posted that ur ships were heading for the black sea, and they are heading from the US so they must pass Gibraltar to get into the Mediterranean and get to the Black Sea, so it is logical that my ships (which were postioned in the Mediteranea Sea) would be able to cut u off
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